Guy Schnitzler and Matt Landfair were kind enough to have me on a recent episode of Primary and Secondary Modcast.

They wanted to talk about saps and jacks, so Dominic of https://sapsandblackjacks.com/ , Cecil of https://www.iacombatives.com/, and I got together and chatted.

Links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY4gwMFTkJc